Thanks for joining us again gang. People get so hot and bothered about talking politics, and I know it's taboo in some families and friend groups to talk about them. But I think they're worth talking about. So here are Andrew's and my thoughts on the 2016 election. The posts before "POST ELECTION" in bold were written election day 2016; post-election were written a few days after. Read what we have to say, share your thoughts as well, and let the discussion begin!
Lukas Post
Those who know me well (and I guess those who read this post will now) know that I’m fairly often depressed, anxious, or in some other capacity emotionally uncomfortable. To put it lightly. But today I feel pretty good. I was super stoked to find out my polling place is a 1 minute walk from my apartment door; as such, I woke up at 6:26 today, fed the cats, and was in line to vote by 6:30 when the polls opened. As tiring as this election season has been, I was in a pretty good mood, standing in the cold waiting to cast my vote. One of life's novelties that I really enjoy witnessing is seeing people rallied for some kind of cause or in some other way inspired. Excited, happy, curious. It's amazing to see people's passion. There were all kinds of people at the polls - a few first time voters, people of all colors and backgrounds and creeds. And everyone seemed to be in just as good a mood. I thought that was cool- a few people socialized, most stood quietly in line on their phones, but I didn't witness a single moment of discord. The respect everyone was exhibiting for the voting process and their countrymen’s right to disagree with them and express their own opinions was pretty inspiring.
I voted for Jill Stein. She was a write-in where I live now in North Carolina. I wrote her name in and just stared at it; JILL STEIN in all caps, just like that. I have to say, it felt pretty amazing to see it and feel good about my vote. People have made jokes all day about how terrible they feel having to vote for Hillary or Donald. I think it's a shame that people are convinced they were the only options. I was talking to my French friend about voting and she offered what I’ve heard from most people I know supporting Hillary - sometimes you have to choose the lesssr of two evils. But I hope you don't think you ever have to choose “evil.” As I was talking with her I realized The Establishment, as it were, got us by the curlies in what I have to admit is a clever ruse. See, people are mostly voting out of fear of who will win, and are voting for the opposition. It's a very short-sighted view. It keeps us from thinking about long term and how to give our solutions to problems some real longevity. And we're stuck in this mindset, as a people, because The Establishment or whatever wants it that way. How did they do it? Allow a man like Donald Trump to run opposite of a woman like Hillary Clinton. I imagine Hillary will win, and she’ll get the the votes because people are afraid of what happens if Trump wins. And so The Establishment will have coerced us in to fear-voting for a candidate who will give us much more of the same, in terms of how our nation is run. Corporations will still reign supreme, politicians will still be able to be bought, people will still be angry and frustrated by many of the same things that they have been for the past 8 years (and for the record, I’ve always been a fan of Obama - I’m not hating on him). Because we allowed ourselves to believe that Hillary was the only way to beat Trump. I find this particularly clever because it plays on survival extinct and coerces us into thinking the choice to vote “evil,” whether lesser or greater, is good for us. We focus on the immediate danger and how to escape it rather than how to prevent the danger from threatening us again in the future. It’s very evolutionary, our political tunnel vision.
But Hillary wasn't the only option or the only way. What if Trump wins, by the way? We’ll have to deal with it the same as if Hillary wins. People are so terrified of what may or may not be that they’re more concerned with fighting against what they don't want than fighting for what they want. All I know is that I want there to be a time where I don't worry about being able to afford rent each month because of my student loan payments. I want there to be beautiful and healthy nature that I can take my one-day family out in for camping weekends and beach trips and sometimes go out in when I just want to be alone. I want prisons reformed, marijuana legalized, education better-funded and more valued. I want people to respect each other, whether they vote for Trump or Hillary or Satan or Spongebob, and I want to be part of a system where government works for people rather than corporations and where mercy and grace are more abundant than fear, vengeance, and so-called justice. And I think Jill Stein is a step towards that. That’s why I’m super proud to have voted for her and for what I want, rather than primarily against what I don't want. Thank you to all who voted. And those who didn't - know your voices were missed and you still have as much a say in how you're governed as the people who did vote. Happy Election Day 2016.
Oh as a note - I was all for Bernie until Steingot some momentum. I mean I still am, a ‘uge fan - the ‘ugest fan there could be. But Stein a bit fit better with me than Bernie. A Stein/Sanders ticket, though - that’s the dream!!
Andrew Pre Election Results
The morning air was as crisp as a freshly minted dollar bill; the line was long, I was tired as hell, and my family and I were in line to cast our votes for the 2016 election. Everyone was in a seemingly cheery mood, even though the weather was a bit chilly and the line to vote at 7 AM was rather long. Other voters commented on how cute our baby was (no surprise there) and made small talk with us on the way to the voting booths. The volunteer that led me to the booth even made a cheesy joke about my daughter “falling asleep to the sweet sounds of democracy.” It was an overwhelmingly positive experience and always has been for me each time I’ve voted. I suppose I’m one of those suckers that falls for the idea that I’m able to express my opinion openly, whether it ultimately makes a difference or not.
I, unlike Lukas, had trouble deciding who I was going to cast my vote for literally up until the night before the election. Let me start by saying that I thoroughly believe that everyone should vote for their preferred candidate, no matter what party they represent; but let me also fart in the metaphorical elevator that Lukas created by telling you that I cast my vote for Hillary Clinton.
I was originally a proud Bernie supporter and even tossed around the idea of writing him in, but decided that would be a waste considering he told voters that he was essentially not interested in that and to cast their votes for Clinton instead. I also looked into Gary Johnson, but decided that even though he’s pro-legalization of marijuana I couldn’t justify voting for the things I didn’t agree with him on. Jill Stein was closely aligned with much of what I believe in as well and was the last candidate I had trouble eliminating, but unfortunately I found it difficult to believe that she would be able to implement the policies that she was promoting. I should also point out that I didn’t agree with several things Stein has said and didn’t agree with some of the ways she had planned to carry out her ideas, whether I agreed with the idea itself or not.
This was also true with a lot of things that Clinton has stood for throughout her campaign. I recognized that she is a career politician who has had a questionable record and voting for her may be, as some pointed out, “more of the same.” Ultimately, I decided to vote for the individual I felt would continue to carry on the legacy of the Obama administration and, more or less, picked the “safe choice.” I have to admit that my life has become increasingly better while Obama has been in office and I have been fully supportive of much of what his administration has done. So, and I mean this quite literally, thanks Obama! I recognize of course that much of what has changed in my life has been through my own efforts, but I still happen to support much of what he has managed to accomplish while holding office. That being said, while there is still much that I would like to see done in this country before I die, I suppose I was content enough to vote for the direction we were headed in rather than vote for anyone that represented an immediate shift in policy and ideology. I’m admittedly not as “extreme” in my views as I once was in college and I can’t say that I’m a fan of pulling a “180” anymore.
I did choose to make the “safe” choice in this election, though I want to make it clear that it wasn’t simply out of fear of a Donald Trump Presidency. Had Bernie Sanders run as an independent on the ticket, I would’ve voted for him without hesitation. My decision was one that took time and wasn’t influenced by the many Americans saying “a vote for a third party is a vote for Hillary/Trump.” I do agree with Lukas on this point; that pushing someone to vote for one of our two major political parties is one of our biggest problems. We should always encourage individuals to express their opinion no matter if it’s through a political party or a write-in vote (as long as that individual happens to be a human and alive to take office, that is). However, many individuals this election cycle saw it as being a “privilege” to be able to vote for a third party candidate. I can respect that belief even though I can’t relate (see our White Privilege blog), but I hope we can change that in future elections for all individuals.
I too dream of a day when I will no longer have student debt, though I knew what I was getting into when I started receiving loans and don’t know if the solution is to pretend it never existed. Anyone who knows me well also knows how important prison reform is to me because of one of my family members being imprisoned. I too dream of a day when marijuana is legalized and the war on drugs has ended, as it is directly related to prison overpopulation. I will continue to vote for candidates that I think closely identify with my beliefs, though occasionally I do negotiate because the majority of them aren’t a total match with my own beliefs.
Unfortunately many of these issues and the trouble we have with getting them accomplished is because of lack of negotiation from both sides and our representatives having such close ties with corporations that wish to have bills passed or killed off in their favor. Ultimately, I believe that is why so many people ended up voting for Donald Trump. Larger than his tone of intolerance and fear was the idea that he was an outsider who would shake up the establishment. I think that this is incorrect on so many levels and that he is no different than any career politician, other than the fact that he’s never held public office. However, the fact remains that we now have Donald Trump as our president-elect; after we have given our friends that need it time to grieve, we need to start moving forward or will find ourselves falling further backwards than we may end up being pushed already.
I’d like to end with a quote I saw on a Facebook friend’s page that I don’t necessarily agree with, but I believe is a good explanation for why so many of us, myself included in this election, vote so short-sightedly:
“I wonder from where so many Americans get the idea that voting is supposed to be some expression of your deepest, most beloved values and virtues rather than a pragmatic, political move meant to shift your country as much closer to your ideal as possible. This strikes me as another example of extreme individualism. Voting isn’t about YOU. It’s about your city, state, and/or country. It doesn’t have to feel transcendently good deep down in your bones. It just has to DO as much good as you can do, in this particular moment in time.” - Miri Mogilevsky
Post-Election
Lukas Post
Basic thoughts post election:
- Some Hillary supporters are blaming Stein and Johnson supporters for Trump’s electoral win instead of the people and states who actually voted for Trump. That makes it less about the issue of Trump’s morality and more about being pissed that their candidate didn't win. I think this was a grossly disheartening election season and day, and I understand that a lot of the blaming comes from frustration at a very fucked ip system. But it’s coming off - to me, anyway - as more anger that Hillary lost than that Trump won. Example - if all the people who voted for Hillary had voted for Stein instead she would’ve won, just like if the Stein supporters had voted Hillary. I think this blaming of others who think similarly to you for not voting for your candidate isn’t anything more than another way for the Establishment/“political elite” to divide us when, in my opinion, we’re on the same side. The people who wrote in Harambe are little shits though
- Trump is a fool. The second he starts implementing policies that violate rights, whether it’s in his first year or day or moment in office, We The People break hell loose, even if it means marching on the White House. But starting his first second in office i think he deserves an honest chance to not fuck up, as all humans do, regardless of how flawed. That's our civic duty I think, just as it is to vote and just as it is to protect each other from those who would harm us. I don't support his othering/hateful/racist/sexist/xenophobic/etc rhetoric at all and will fight tooth and nail in support of those he means to oppress, but on the off chance he doesn't start in with that garbage once elected I want to give him a shot not to be a dildo and to be a decent leader and human
- The feeling of disbelief will eventually lessen I think. Not because it'll be more acceptable but because shit'll happen that makes it less surprising that he got elected and the same shit will be met with enough protest and resistance and courage that the disbelief will give way for hope and unity. This aforementioned shit is already happening - lives threatened, property defaced, fear instilled in the hearts of so many. It's on us to unify. Now is the time to remind those being attacked and abused and intimidated that we love them and that we won't stop fighting for them. It's on us to shout right back at the people yelling “build that wall” that we will tear down their wall and that we won't stop tearing down their physical and metaphorical walls until we are all safe and equal in The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Now is the time to step up and band together. Anyway, these are my thoughts.
Andrew Post Election Thoughts
I agree with everything that Lukas has said in the above post, so I’ll try to avoid repeating anything he may have said this time and just jump straight into some of the thoughts I’ve had due to attitudes and actions on both sides after the election. First and foremost, I cannot stress enough that those who are choosing to protest are within their constitutional right to do so; however, I don’t agree with some of the protesting that has led to violence, nor is that technically any longer within those individuals’ constitutional rights. There are some that I’ve heard say things like “these people need to just get over it, they lost” and I believe they are missing the point entirely. When you say this, you’re essentially telling these individuals to sit down and accept anything that happens to them; whether it is the results of this election or anything else imposed in their lives. Basically I’m telling you that YOU need to get over it; just because you don’t personally exercise your constitutional rights doesn’t mean that others shouldn’t be allowed to do so. Furthermore, these students/individuals are not just protesting losing an election; they are protesting the ideas of bigotry, violence, and hate that Trump has delivered in his campaign.
Secondly, the whole “I’m sorry I couldn’t protest, I had to go work for a living” and “these kids are whiny, entitled brats” isn’t going to fly. The last time I decided to take part in a protest I was in school and working forty hours a week. I still found time to stand up for a cause I believed in and heard the same rhetoric that I’m hearing against these individuals. I honestly feel sorry that you cannot fathom a world in which you deserve more than what you’re given, but some of us feel as though we all deserve a better world and are willing to take a few hours out of our daily lives to stand for our beliefs. Another random thought: could we also dispel the rumors that these protesters are being paid off by a billionaire in some shadow government conspiracy against Trump? Yes, for those who haven’t heard, that’s a thing some people with too much time on their hands believe. Please do us a favor and take your conspiracy theories to YouTube where they’ll be appreciated more.
Next up, being brainwashed by the media because my brain just couldn’t handle what Trump was bringing to the table. False. Black Bears. What? Nevermind. It’s interesting that Trump supporters have told both me and people I know that we are weak minded and can’t make our own decisions without the media; it’s especially curious considering I can’t even remember the last time I watched the news or read a paper. I often times read articles online and participate in open discussions with friends and family, but still manage to investigate things for myself and come to my own conclusion. I can also determine a site or article’s credibility by the tone of the article or a quick google search, eliminating the possibility that I would believe an old billionaire is handing out hundred dollar bills to college students to protest.
I’m not sure how many Trump supporters would say they actually believe this, but I have to mention it as well. Someone I know happened to mention that “under Obama, race relations have been pushed back to the 1950’s and under Trump people will stop seeing race and unify.” I’m not really sure how to address this other than pointing out that the guy said he intends to indefinitely ban Muslims from our country.
The fact is, if you are able to separate Trump’s bigotry in his campaign from the rest of his proposed policies, then you are privileged. Plain and simple. If you truly do not stand for what Trump has stood for in so many people’s minds throughout this campaign, I implore you to do everything you can in these next four years to stand for what is right for our fellow citizens. No matter how you stand on issues economically, please don’t truly send us back to the 1950’s by reinstalling McCarthyism and replacing it with Muslim-Americans rather than Communists or treating other races well, sadly like they were in the 1950’s.
That’s all I have to say for now so let the comments fly! Also, Lukas had a better ending paragraph, so just go back and read his third thought again.